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14.5 Hand Paso , 987 pounds. Prior to trim

Mostly used for trail riding, been in pasture for last two months , not ridden for that period of time . These pictures are taken prior to having a trim. Ferrier due on Feb 16, previous angles were 54 front 57 rear. These pictures are to show present condition of normal wear on his hoofs and to obtain any opinions on condition of hoofs and Yes I know he could use more exercise. so post your comments or suggestions on the BB, and lets see what occurs. I will post pictures of his trim when done. Updated Pictures annotated in Red, Sorry I couldn't take better pictures but I tried


Left side view	Right side view


Left Front	Left Front
	After Trim


Left Front	Left Front

Left Front after Trim	Left Front after Trim


Left Rear	Left Rear
Left Rear after Trim
	Left Rear after Trim


Right Front	Right Front
Right Front
	Right Front


Right Front Heel	Right Rear


Right Rear	Right Rear Heel
Right Rear	Right Rear

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Hoof pretrim pics by Stella 2/6/2001
I couldnt get the right rear pics to come up, but in the front, the heels are too long, and starting to collapse-they should come back further to meet the ends of the frog,thereby giving the horse more support. Likely, the farrier was focused more on raising angles(which appear OK)and didnt take enough heel off(being that makes the job of raising angles slower)when doing this. All the heels should look like the outside heel of the left rear...the inside heel has just gotten too long, and may not have been as level as the outside in the first place- could be uneven wear; but the fronts are definitely not just growth since previous trim...far too forward and already rolled from that. BTW, if the horse is 14 and 1/2h, then its 14.2...14.5 doesnt exist(well, it would be 15.1)4" in a hand...14,14.1, 14.2, 14.3, 15h....(OK, so I'm a stickler!)

RE: Hoof pretrim pics by Linda 2/7/2001
How would you trim the fronts to get the same look as the left rear correct heel? How long would you expect this to take?

also, by Linda 2/7/2001
Please explain rolled? I have to post pictures of my horses feet. This is great. I have pictures of him on his web page if you would like to see him, but not of his feet.Yet..;-) http://www.totalmultimedia.com/horses/

RE: also, by Stella 2/8/2001
It really depends on how much sole and toe the farrier can take at the same time to maintain the angles,usually a farrier has to take alot of toe and little heel to raise them, if the angles are good, he can do more with the heels in one session. In this case, it may take 2-3 trims(depends how fast horse grows feet, how often how conservative farrier is,too).I'm going to have to think about how best to describe a rolled toe,but its shaped to help breakover, remove excess; angled with the rasp.

RE: Trimming Hooves more from other bb by Dave 2/8/2001
Posted by Stella M on 02/08/2001 9:20:13 AM: If you look at the full horse pic on the left, and compare to the one on the right, then he seems steeper in the shoulder in the left shot - lower angled on the right. I think that's because the left picture was shot more from above, which distorts things... the right pic is better. Its always best to shoot a picture of a horse(esp if you're tall)crouched and aiming at the heart(behind and a bit above the elbow) to maintain proper proportion and perspective...otherwise, it can be deceiving... But I'd say, from the angulation of the upper hind end and how/where the long neck inserts into the body, this boy can boogy....not finoish. Angles look normal/average to me, not overly steep. A slightly shorter pastern is good for strength.

RE: cannot see pictures by Dave 2/8/2001
Pat you may need to update some of your system program files . Whichever operating system you are using , such as MSN , go to there website and update your files , or you may need to upgrade your browser, some of these pictures take a while to load simply because I wanted to keep the quality of the picture , so you could also try refreshing your screen to see if they will come up

RE: Trimming Hooves, reposted from other BB by Dave 2/8/2001
Posted by *Sue @LOS LOCOS * on 02/07/2001 3:58:58 PM: VERY Nice Dave!!!!!!!Thanks! when done I plan on printin for my farrier.He does whatever we ask,but he LOVES reading anything I bring him in regards to doing what is best for our babies.Since he's amish.He has no puter,so keep it comin,& I will proudly take it to him!!!! thanks again for your efforts.Very appreciated here. Sue & Paul

RE: question, Dave... by Stella 2/8/2001
Is this horse maybe a little offset in the right front canon(look at how cannon lines up with forearm at knee), so that he stands slightly pidgeon-toed with that foot?(so it winds up under the forearm to support) I notice that the bottom of this hoof doesnt bisect evenly, frog points in, half of foot on the outside wall seems considerably wider than other half? (as a result of putting more weight to that half)Sometimes this can happen from uneven lateral balance in the trim, but the heels say otherwise, not farriers' fault, so other option,leg conformation....

RE: Trimming Hooves by Linda 2/9/2001
How old is this horse? Thank you, Linda Guidry
Whisper

RE: added info by Dave 2/9/2001
Diego will be 12 yrs old this April. He is well gaited and an excellant trail and mountain Paso. He likes speed and is very sure footed, his Sire is Innuendo el Prim who was a previous largo champion. My previous Farrier was getting tired of doing Paso's , and preferred QH's. The last time he shod my Paso's he did a sloopy job and they were off balance , this was just prior to Xmas. We had the shoes removed and another farrier check all the Paso's he did that day. Out of 10 Paso's done , one went lame in the rear two days after he had shoes put on, found that he also was unbalance and hooves were not level, My Five paso's each leg had differant angles, luckily I had not gone on any rides. We had all trimmed and leveled, and have been trying new farriers , which are hard to come by especially ones that will do pasos. So the last one has made a good effort in correcting the damage and the above pics are where we are at now. I have a farrier coming who was taught to shoe on Pasos and hopefully we will get these guys back in shape. I have been reluctant to have them shod just yet because their hooves were cut unevenly and been allowing them to get new growth and have done only minor trimming. So your opinions are welcome , and suggestions. I too will be printing these all out so the farrier can read them. Our group here consists of 12 paso's and we all would like them done right.

RE: Trimming Hooves by Stella 2/23/2001
It does look like he was able to get the heels further back and closer to what they should be, it will likely take another trim or two to reach the ultimate goal, this should stimulate better growth of the angle of the heel. If he'd tried to get it all in one shot, it would have lowered the angles, which perpetuates the problem by throwing the balance off - too much weight to the heel, which crushes them more. He did the right thing by taking as much heel off as possible without changing the angle.

RE: Trimming Hooves by Dave 2/23/2001
This was a new Farrier I used for the first time. I asked him what he thought about the hooves and his reply was close to Stella's original observation. He mentioned that fixing the heels would take a few trims and did not want to change much on the angles, So read Stella's original posts on the site and compare the pictures and read the below comment. This should give you a better understanding. Not all Farriers are the same, and since we do not have a farrier that works on Paso Finos exclusively we have to use the best one we can find in the area that will work with us to do what needs to be done. That was the reason for these articles and the suggestions and information presented so pictures and suggestions can be shown to your farrier to help those who do not have a Paso farrier in their area. Thanks Stella !!!

more from other BB by Dave 2/8/2001
Posted by Paula Nal on 02/08/2001 8:16:54 AM: From what I see in the photo's he looks to be a bit underrun in the heels, yet the photo of the bottom of his hooves shows nice wide heels (not at all contracted). His hooves look to be a bit dry (normal in winter dry/wet weather) but appear to be of good quality.

RE: Trimming Hooves moor from other BB by Dave 2/8/2001
Posted by beth w on 02/07/2001 10:52:07 AM:
Thank you, Dave. Rather than offer comments, I think I will just observe and learn, but I want you to know that this is VERY generous of you to share your knowledge and for giving everyone else an opportunity to share.

Re: First part of Paso Hoof Trimming and Shoeing has been posted posted by Ideal F on 02/07/2001 10:23:21 AM: I do not know much about hoof trimming or shoeing but the horse seems to me does not need that much of a trimming. Are the heels shown on the picture kind of dried? Anyways, I will love to learn all about shoeing pasos; I've been having problems with my Mare with sore front legs afeter being shood lately. Thanks so much Dave!

Posted by Lisa W on 02/07/2001 9:09:16 AM: I thought his feet looked pretty darn good for needing a trim...had a tough time getting my farrier out..went 15 wks. I called at 8 wks and kept calling and him standing me up (he does that to alot of his customers - not just me-he works at track and caters to them more:-( ) About the pictured horse though...I know nuttin bout trimmin no hosses So I am ready to learn more LOL

Posted by terry l w on 02/07/2001 8:59:23 PM: Dave, first off, I've got to agree with Stella about the heels, then I agree with Fran that he does have short, upright pasterns and a steep shoulder, and I too bet he is more Fino than Largo...I have a mare built almost just like him. She is a Bochica granddaughter. Are you a farrier? I came in late on the conversation....I just bought a 21 month old Paso Fino colt that has been let go terribly long without any farrier attention...you would not believe how twisted his hind hoofs have grown. Can I email photos to you to see them? You can post them on Pasoregistry if you like. The horse is my second Paso "rescue" case, he's about 200 lbs underweight. We have had him now for ten days and just got him on a proper diet. I have my veterinarian and farrier reviewing the photos now. He was trimmed by who knows who (not a farrier), 12 days ago before I ever saw him it was a terrible job. I could track his progress for all to see.

Posted by fran s on 02/06/2001 10:51:14 PM: Maybe we could also discuss confirmation and angles and type of horse too...This is my two cents worth...First I like the colour of this guy,very pretty and I really don't think he needs much of a trim,maybe just a good rasping but not any clipping...his feet are quite short.He has good feet,nice thick walls and shape.He has short cannons and a rather straight shoulder...I would think that he is the old fino type,definitely not a largo type.At least not in what I have deemed to be true...prove me wrong anyway.He has a beautiful neck and I would think he makes a really pretty picture under saddle...I'm not crazy about his rump tho...sorry Dave.He could stand some grease on his coronet band and into the heel and frog...He has really good heels which makes him stand up nicely and I don't see any type of laminitis problem in the recent past...Even tho he has light coloured feet I do believe that they are nice and hard but maybe prone to breaking off a bit if they get too long...nice horse Dave…

RE: RE: Trimming Hooves moor from other BB by Pat 2/8/2001
HELP! I am pretty new at this web business ... have been soaking up the info on the hoof trimming, but goodness ... where are the pictures that you are talking about?? I have the messages, but not photos? Ok so I am a rooky, but I'm and "Older" rooky so be kind!